Society and humanism: India officially recognizes Hijara/3rd Gender

333 · 18-Jan-2010, 05:37 AM (05:37)

I didn't would to put this under "Gay issues"

http://contexts.org/sexuality/2009/1...ird-sexgender/

http://www.politicsdaily.com/2009/12...-third-gender/

Gurdur · 18-Jan-2010, 06:01 AM (06:01)

Interesting. A very old social phenomenon in India.

Unbeliever · 19-Jan-2010, 02:44 PM (14:44)

So transgenders are officially a third sex now?

Something about this strikes me as weird... Not sure what though.

Gurdur · 19-Jan-2010, 03:45 PM (15:45)

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Originally Posted by Unbeliever

So transgenders are officially a third sex now?
Something about this strikes me as weird... Not sure what though.

A lot of old tribal societies had similar arrangements; Maoris in New Zealand for example.

Unbeliever · 19-Jan-2010, 07:28 PM (19:28)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gurdur

Quote:

Originally Posted by Unbeliever

So transgenders are officially a third sex now?
Something about this strikes me as weird... Not sure what though.

A lot of old tribal societies had similar arrangements; Maoris in New Zealand for example.

Hm. I must look up more on this...

iamwombat · 08-Sep-2011, 05:01 AM (05:01)

Many Native American peoples have within their respective cultures oral histories, accounts of persons who were 'two-spirited', often revered and allowed special priveledge within the tribe relating to normed roles. With some Plains tribes, a man who was two-spirited would find his role in the tribe among the women folk, and unless the individual chose to be involved in male roles (war-fare, hunting, counting coup) he was not expected to, nor was he villified for it. In some tribes the role could even be considered a spiritual one. As with most animist cultures, having more than one spirit is rare and usually a sacred thing to be respected and seldom feared or treated with contempt. Only after the French term 'berdache' was introduced, do we see any association that is negative, with a person being two-spirited.

Ikari Gendou · 24-Sep-2011, 05:38 AM (05:38)

It seems wrong to try and place transsexuals into a third gender. The whole concept of transsexualism is that you feel you were born into the wrong sex/gender.

Sandra Price · 22-Oct-2011, 02:32 PM (14:32)

"Whenever Religion violates the dignity of mankind, it must be eradicated. "

I like this quote! I've been on a long campaign for years for individual rights and this quote says it all!

lifelinking · 16-Mar-2012, 12:41 AM (00:41)

Hmm. Eradicating stuff we don't agree with seems like a dangerous path. And the phrase 'violating the dignity of mankind'? Well it could mean just about anything, or nothing.

eta: very interesting links btw

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