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Old 13-Apr-2010, 11:15 AM (11:15)     1        38939
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Test your prayer powers for real, to prove once and for all that there is God!
Pray first for a new car for you or for your church leader.
Next, find out about MISSING CHILDREN
in your city or country and pray the hardest possible,
even with fasting,
with all faith and power for them to be found.
It is very simple.
Try it, and let us know what prayer got results.
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Old 13-Apr-2010, 12:32 PM (12:32)     2        38940
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It seems God has always two options regarding your prayers:
One, choose the easiest first;
two, never choose the hardest first.
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Old 16-Apr-2010, 12:17 PM (12:17)     3        39028
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Old 17-Apr-2010, 12:50 AM (00:50)     4        39040
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Most Christians I talked to about prayer says it does not work that way. They believe that God just communicates things that help us along in life. So God may or may not help people find missing children since he works in mysterious ways.

So I tackle the problem by coming up with a list of things to ask God like:
1) Is mercy killing ok?
2) Should homosexuals be allowed in church?
3) Is God ok with gay marriage?
4) Is baptism required to go to heaven?
5) Do miscarried babies go to heaven?
6) Is abortion ok if the mother's life is in danger?
7) Do Muslims go to hell?
8) Is the Sabbath Saturday or Sunday?
9) Is slavery ever ok?
10) Is remarrying after a divorce ok?
and so on for extra questions in which Christians have been divided on. Get a bunch of Christians to pray for answers and see how consistent their answers are.

Due to the large number of denominations with different answers to these questions, we can show that this prayer doesn't work either unless God lies to people about the answers.
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Old 17-Apr-2010, 02:24 AM (02:24)     5        39044
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Prayer is simply a power play to try and control god.

Think about it this way, if god is all knowing, then it already knows not only all your problems but what the best solutions are for those problems. If you pray, its either useless because god already know what should happen and is doing it, or you get god to deviate from its plan and thereby produce a non-optimal outcome. So prayer is either meaningless or harmful, therefore no one believing in an omnipotent god should engage in the practice.
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Old 17-Apr-2010, 06:03 PM (18:03)     6        39059
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BAHAHAHAHAHA!

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Prayer is simply a power play to try and control god.

Think about it this way, if god is all knowing, then it already knows not only all your problems but what the best solutions are for those problems. If you pray, its either useless because god already know what should happen and is doing it, or you get god to deviate from its plan and thereby produce a non-optimal outcome. So prayer is either meaningless or harmful, therefore no one believing in an omnipotent god should engage in the practice.
So true.

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I have to say that my loss of faith was directly related to prayer.
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I'm a Christian - and I do pray.

Not because I feel I have to, but because I feel I need to.

I became a Christian aged 30 when I was overwhelmingly thankful and needed 'someone' to thank!

I don't think God gives us things - s/he has given all that we'd ever need already.
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Well, conversational prayer is a far cry from what Djewleu was talking about. That's one of those things where some people seem to have a knack for it, and some people don't. If you can do it, great. I'd sooner just talk to myself... But then again, I consider myself the god of my own universe. So maybe I'm praying after all. :P
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I know what you are saying, but for me the whole thing about prayer is to reach outside myself.

I don't particularly see God as a person but as personAL. That's why I say s/he. But I see God as kind of all that is good.
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Well, conversational prayer is a far cry from what Djewleu was talking about. ....
To be fair, anything is a far cry from what Djewleu was talking about. Anytime.
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I don't particularly see God as a person but as personAL.
Is there any chance I could get you to expound a little bit on that please? Not trying to be mean or anything, I just read that and was having some trouble making sense of it. It may have something to do with my lack of caffiene + no sleep + all around braindeadness today, too.
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Yes.

I believe there is a force for life in the universe and that this force is good. It doesn't matter how hostile the conditions, life seems to 'get through'

I call this force 'God' because I have no other word for it and my culture is Christian.

I think we can 'know' this force or 'God' in a personal way - as s/he is in and through all that is good. But I don't see God as a person and I certainly don't think Jesus was God.

Jesus was a man who was so full of 'that which is good' or 'God's spirit' that he was as near perfect as it's possible for a human to be - and so worth following.

And so I pray. Not to look inwards, but to look outwards to 'that which is good' and give thanks.

Prayer helps me have a positive outlook on life - but I recognise there are plenty of other ways to achieve this, and I find (for me) that painting has a similar effect - a meditative state.

The thing prayer has, for me, that painting doesn't is the 'reaching out to give thanks' thing.
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This is quite the interesting conversation.
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